@tech@zwo#51333
So "newbies" should NOT buy the ASI533 as it allows them to fully exploit the sensor capacities, causing confusion and bad experience…?
What a bunch of bs 
! Is the ASI2600 considered a newbie camera now ?
Newbies don't spend 2000 dollars on an astro dedicated camera !
Lain402 So "newbies" should NOT buy the ASI533 as it allows them to fully exploit the sensor capacities, causing confusion and bad experience…?
+1
In my experience, the more ability a newbie has, the easier it is for them to learn something.
There is no such thing as too much information, or too much capabilities.
What a bunch of bs
Unfortunately, that is so. There are many newbies with more money than brains. Sad, but true -- there are multiple examples of people buying an ASI2600 as their first cooled astro camera. Worse, there are people (or dishonest dealers) who recommend an ASI2600 to a newbie.
Chen
@tech@zwo#51333
I think the majority of the mono camera is more experience users.
Many newbie starts with One shot color (OSC) such as the very popular ASI533mc but it even allows the user to fully exploit the capability by allowing High Gain mode (at least Gain 300 or 0.1e/ADU).
In the spec sheet on ZWO website, it clearly shown the Gain curve is well beyond 100 and the customers are assuming it can work this way, but it ends up like a scam. Sad.
It does now make sense not to enable it like many other ZWO cameras and your major competitor has already offered the full gain for IMX571 (i.e. ASI2600) camera.
I was considering a 2600MC as an upgrade for wider FOV until I found this thread. The gain restriction would severely limit this camera's performance for EAA, so I guess I'm looking elsewhere. I'm glad that I found this, but disappointed that ZWO can't be bothered to edit what's likely a text file to enable higher gain settings.
Whats going on here? We are limited to a gain of 100? ...when your marketing literature graphs show more?
What about letting us take exposures of at least 1 hour. These things you can do with a QHY 268...
Please notice culture. .... If we ask we are not expecting the word no. Maybe people are told no too often in China. With respect we are asking for a yes. We are used to freedom. Please kindly give us our freedom with our cameras.
@tech@zwo#51333 I already sold my 2600MC. Problem solved.
Hi guys, it really doesn't make any sense to limit gain unless there is an issue with using higher gain. If there is an issue, would be good to know more detail about the potential problem, but if there is no issue then limiting gain simply makes no sense. Newbies know how to use a gain slider, the remedy is to simply default the gain to 100 and allow room to move.
Please add the capability to choose higher gain with both the 2600MC and 2600MM.
You need to give your customers more credit for intelligence. "Newbies" will experiment with settings on the existing ASIAir and learn from their experience.
Is the reason for limiting the gain to actually prevent the camera from getting too hot and causing the oil leak issue? If so, that makes sense, just would be good to know.
Improve101 It’s not. They have literally said that they are limiting the gain options to avoid confusing their users 
@tech@zwo#51333
I think many ASI2600/6200 users expressed disappointment on this decision here. Also, there is a discussion about it in the Cloudynights forum. Even some potential customers do not consider to buy ASI2600 due to this stupid decsion.
https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/797493-insane-zwo-asi2600mm-gain-settings/
Actually, the native driver can support gain setting larger than 100, and I tested it out with positive effect. The gain limit is just apply to ASCOM driver and ASIAIR which I used most of the time.
I am imaging the C/2021A1 comet recently as the comet appears only near sunrise in my location, so fast f-ratio and high gain one-shot color camera are essential. I feel very upset that I am not able to shot the comet in higher gain with ASIAIR. For Comet, I don't need much Dynamic Range but want to get more ADU in the very limited time as the sun is coming out soon.
I think we have sufficient reasons to allow larger gain settings like what native driver already support. Please, Thanks!
@tech@zwo#52217 Thank you. I, however, do not use Windows but I use MacOs and ASIAir. Please do this there as well. Thanks.
My next camera purchase was going to be a 2600. Along with this would be an EFW and focuser to support automated mono imaging. That equipment is now on hold until we are given reasonable control of the gain. I.e. at least as much control as I have with my 533.
I just canceled my order with High Point Scientific for my 2600MM which they currently have in stock, and 5 position ZWO filter wheel they are waiting for. There are just way too many issues here for me to proceed with this sort of additional investment in ZWO. I am very unimpressed with their response here, and to some other issues on this forum. If I am going to spend this sort of money on anything, then it better do what I want it to do, and not what the people selling it to me limit it to do.
You contradict yourself in this post. If there is no such thing as “too much capability” then why not a 2600? This is not a product category where misuse or mistakes can cause injury or death.
As to the money, there are people that feel no hardship at all at this price point. And others yet that have the passion and desire to jump in with both feet, and are willing to spend whatever time it takes at their day job to make that purchase possible. Why dump on them for success or desire?
JeffMorgan If there is no such thing as “too much capability” then why not a 2600?
IMHO, you do not need a 2600 to take pictures that these beginners will be (are) taking. You can see lots of example of crummy images taken by the 2600 by the neophytes on the ASIAIR Facebook page, while you can see plenty of great images from a simpler 12 bit camera on Astrobin.
It is much better for the beginners to start with a simpler camera. If they start with the 2600, they would never know that while the amp glow is suppressed in the camera, the amount of hot pixels is astronomical [sic]. If you want to learn, start with the basics.
I may be jaded because I started in the hobby by grinding my own mirror back in high school in the 1960s. I have gone from using film (Tri-X, Dektol generation), to webcams, to DSLR and mirrorless cameras, and then finally to the Starlight Xpress and SBIG cameras.
Chen
@tech@zwo#52217 Hi Team, May I have any update about the development of ASCOM? I wonder if we can get it before the chinese new year?
And, possibly if ZWO can consider to implement it to the ASIAIR as well since it is really a very handful tools and many customers have support on the advance gain setting for ASI2600/6200 on ASIAIR as well.
Please support the full gain range of the asi2600mc pro while using the asiair.
I need more gain for EAA.
thanks!
