Hello,
In ASIAir auto-focus, star size is indicated by a number such as 2.86.

I have 2 questions ...

  1. Is this measured as HFD or FWHM ?
  2. What are the units - is this number expressed in pixels or arc-seconds ?

I would be helpful to put the units on the auto-focus page, as well as making clear whether it uses HFD or FWHM.

Many thanks 🙂

    6 days later

    I don't understand that answer for #2 ...
    What does the measurement 'Peak' refer to - and what are the units ?
    Peak of what ?
    What are the units ?

      Didge Sorry, there are two posts on the same topic. I will close another.

      Well - that's not so good.
      Both posts have been closed now and neither has been answered.

      I don't understand that answer for #2 ...
      What does the measurement 'Peak' refer to - and what are the units ?
      Peak of what ?
      What are the units ?

      Well now both posts have been closed and neither has been answered ...

      I don't understand that answer for #2 ...
      What does the measurement 'Peak' refer to - and what are the units ?
      Peak of what ?
      What are the units ?

        Didge
        Auto Focus Star Peak: the maximum value of ADU in the displayed star which has the star size (HFD) is the closest to the average star size of the selected focus stars

        Im sorry - I just dont understand that.
        Can you please explain ...

        1. What is the 'peak' being measured
        2. What units are used for the measurement ?

          Thanks - but I don't need information on how an ADC works - I just need an answer to my simple question ...
          Can you please explain ...
          What is the 'peak' being measured
          What units are used for the measurement ?

          5 months later

          higbyrichard I also would like and answer to this question.

          The peak values are in units of ADU (i.e., the digital numbers that come out of the A/D converter).

          What you see is a red curve superiposed on a small sub-image from the guide frame. The red curve is supposed to be a 2D slice of a 3D point spread function of the guide star that is shown in as the background image in that mini-image.

          The point spread function of the star with an OTA that has circular aperture is the Airy Disk. See first figure here:

          https://www.telescope-optics.net/diffraction_image.htm

          If you are familiar with the sinc (sin(x)/x) function in time-domain filters, the Airy Disk is the 3D equivalent of it. The 2D slice of the Airy Disk actually does look like the sinc function, but is not (it is made up of Bessel functions).

          Another difference is that that the point spread function (Airy Disk) does not go below zero, unlike the sinc function -- and that is because the camera sensor measures the intensity, and thus there is no such thing as a negative ADU (i.e., no such thing as a negative photon; well there is, but you can't see it on our simple sensors :-).

          So, you take what looks like the sinc function, find the central peak, and the measured ADU units is what is shown as the "peak" value. The ASIAIR guide interface uses 8 bits -- so the ADU values shown will be in between 1 and 255). For best multi-star guiding, try to adust the gain of the guide camera to get lots of stars whose ADU is greater than 100 but less than 255.

          With very steady skies, that ASIAIR mini-image should show something like what you see in the first few images here (Airy Disks):

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airy_disk

          Chen

            What about the numbers returned by "Detect Stars"?
            Is the first one the FWHM or HFD?
            What about the number between the brackets?

            Just trying to get these numbers right.

            Thank you.

            • w7ay replied to this.

              enaiman Is the first one the FWHM or HFD?

              ZWO always uses HFD since it is easier to compute.

              What about the number between the brackets?

              One number is pixel units on the sensor (image plane), the other is units of arc seconds in the sky (object plane). Check your plate scale.

              Chen

              w7ay Curious, if they use 8 bit for guiding, how do I get values of over 3000 for a peak reading when I focus my guide scope?

              • w7ay replied to this.

                PhotomanTom Curious, if they use 8 bit for guiding, how do I get values of over 3000 for a peak reading when I focus my guide scope?

                You were probably focusing using their main camera interface?

                Their main camera interface uses an ADU scale of 65535 (16 bits), so the sensor pixels (8, 12 or 14 pixels) are simply scaled to 16 bits. The ASIAIR is not a well engineered product, and very inconsistent between their different interfaces, all within the same program!

                Chen

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